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[DISCUSSION] Raekwon - Shaolin vs. Wu-Tang (10 Years Later) - HipHop

[DISCUSSION] Raekwon - Shaolin vs. Wu-Tang (10 Years Later)

Posted: 21 Apr 2021 01:00 PM PDT

Shaolin vs. Wu-Tang is the fifth studio album by American rapper and Wu-Tang Clan-member Raekwon, released March 8, 2011, on Ice H20 and EMI Records. Guests for the album include Black Thought, Busta Rhymes, Ghostface Killah, GZA, Inspectah Deck, Lloyd Banks, Method Man, Nas, and Rick Ross, among others.

The album debuted at number 12 on the US Billboard 200 chart, selling 29,000 copies in its first week. It produced three singles, "Butter Knives", the title track and "Rock n Roll". Upon its release, Shaolin vs. Wu-Tang received positive reviews from most music critics, who complimented Raekwon's performance and commended him for his musical direction.

Background

Due to the 8 Diagrams controversy, which took place in late 2007, Shaolin Vs. Wu-Tang was initially planned to be a Wu-Tang Clan group album, minus production from RZA. Raekwon later revealed that it would instead be his fifth studio album, and as originally intended, would not feature contributions from RZA. In regards to this decision, Raekwon clarified in an interview with Vibe "RZA doesn't have to be on every album. I wanted to give some other producers a chance. It's not about beef."

When Raekwon was asked about the album in an interview with Entertainment Weekly, he explained "It's not nothing derogatory towards Wu. It's just that Shaolin (i.e. Staten Island) is the place, Wu-Tang is the crew that came from that place. It's like me just going back to my history of being an emcee first, before I actually became part of Wu-Tang. I always give RZA that support as far as saying he brought Wu-Tang to the table. It was his philosophy. He picked certain dudes to be part of this group, and he said, 'This is what it's going to be called'. Before that, I was on the block. I was living in Shaolin. So this album just shows the street side of me, challenging the great side of Wu-Tang. Which is almost like how T.I. did T.I. vs. T.I.P. You're going to get sounds that relate to Wu-Tang. You're going to get sounds that relate to great Rae at his best shit, too. You're going to get a lot of animation as far as the skits are concerned. It's going to be a hot one. Everyone's going to love it."

Recording

Writing and recording for Shaolin vs. Wu-Tang began in early 2010, and finished later that year, with the album's completion being announced on December 7, 2010, on the Shade 45 Morning Show.[4] Unlike Raekwon's previous album Only Built 4 Cuban Linx... Pt. II, Shaolin vs. Wu-Tang contains more collaborations from non Wu-Tang members, such as Nas, Havoc, Black Thought, Lloyd Banks, Rick Ross, Raheem DeVaughn, and Estelle. In regards to their collaboration, Lloyd Banks explained in an interview with Vibe magazine how he had Raekwon as a guest on his song "Sooner Or Later" (from the H.F.M. 2 album), stating "I had the beat for a minute, just rocking, vibing with it. I wrote about three verses to it and the sample, the beat—everything just reminded me of the Wu-Tang sound… So I was like, it's gotta be somebody from the Wu. And I really respect what Rae's been doing recently. He killed it." Soon after this collaboration, Raekwon offered Banks a spot on the Scram Jones produced track "Last Trip to Scotland". Banks explained "Soon as I heard Raekwon's verse it was on some storytelling shit, so I already knew what I had to do with it. Rae is one of the best at that, so his verse opened up my mind. It wasn't like I had a blank beat to go off of."

Although a number of artists such as Scoop DeVille, Pete Rock, and Kanye West were reported to have worked on the album at one time or another, their contributions did not surface on the final version. In spite of Erick Sermon being inaccurately credited for production on the track "Every Soldier in the Hood", Oh No was later reported to be the song's producer.

Threads from 10 Years ago:

Raekwon - Shaolin vs. Wu Tang

Is this the long-awaited rebuttal to 8 Diagrams? Sounds like some classic fi-yah.

Raekwon and Black Thought - Masters Of Our Fate (off the new Shaolin VS. Wu-Tang album)

any idea what the "response to chessboxin' is?"

I mean the statement from their old hit to this response.

I think someone just posted this as a video response to a video of chessboxin' to get more views. At least that's what I'm guessing.

got it, thanks.

Nice to hear Black Thought on some different type of production.

Wow, Churchill never sounded so good.

ever since i heard dear god 2.0 i had a renewed anticipation for every black thought track and this one delivered

  • Now that the dust is settled, which album is better: this or 8 Diagrams?
  • How does this hold up in Raekwon's discography, especially as a follow-up to Only Built 4 Cuban Linx… Pt. II?
  • Best verse on the album? Worst?
  • Best/Worst Song?
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I don't know any other popular high quality 90s rapper who almost lost his whole unique style, spirit and quality at the turn of the millennium when Rap/Hip Hop became extremely successful in the mainstream. All his three 90s albums are heavy bangers, The Coming is a hot classic and you can even debate about E.L.E because it's definitely a Top 10 rap album of the late 90s. But when he dropped Anarchy in 2000 he sounded somehow different. Of course there were like three decent tracks but most were forgettable and he continued to lose his soul/character as an original MC and adapted more with the overproduced popular 2000s party/pop rap songs in Genesis and It Ain't Safe No More. Yes he was successful with his singles because it appealed more to the mainstream in the clubs but it was that Ludacris type of music. He wasn't really the one and only Busta Bust from the 90s with his energy flow and crazy/funny wordplay. He made a great comeback with The Big Bang which is very underrated: more matured and not that wild but quality-wise it could touch his 90s albums. But apart from that the progress of the commercialization made him and his music so replaceable even when he improved his fast rapping over the time. I truly think that's the reason why he's rated so low as rapper because the quality he showed in the 90s (even most of his features where dope) was incredible and he rarely showed that later in his career.

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