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Daily Discussion Thread 01/25/2020 - HipHop

Daily Discussion Thread 01/25/2020 - HipHop

Daily Discussion Thread 01/25/2020

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 10:15 AM PST

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Recommended If You Like Thread - January 25, 2020

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 10:04 AM PST

If you're looking for a recommendation give a description/music link/artist so that other people will know what you want.

Example: I want to hear an artist that sounds like old Kanye (you can get more specific but that's enough imo). And then someone will respond with X, Y, and Z

You can also recommend an artist/project/scene

Example: You guys should check out DJ Mustard's mixtape Ketchup RIYL (recommended if you like) post-hyphy and minimalistic west coast beats.

Remember, the point of this thread is to share music, try not to post stuff that's already really popular unless it answers someone's question.

Also the more descriptive you guys are with your posts the easier it is to help you find what you want, just stating an artists name isn't that helpful since you might only like one specific aspect of that artist's music.

Look through past posts here

ALSO please check out this thread for a list of some of the most popular recommendation requests and the suggestions provided

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6LACK - Prblms

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 04:04 PM PST

A deep retrospective of Supreme Clientele - the album that saved the Wu-Tang.

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 03:07 PM PST

At the turn of the century into the year 2000, amidst all manner of change and advancement, the Wu Tang Clan were stagnant. It had been 7 years since their seminal debut, but maybe more importantly, it had been 4 years since any of the members had put out a strong album. Reviews on their work in that time ranged from tepid to outright dismissal, and to put further strain on the group, they had to watch several other hip hop acts ascend into the winner's circle that had eluded them for the past half-decade. Outkast reached stardom. Dipset were growing rapidly. Jay-Z reached superstardom. If 6 months is considered a lifetime in Hip Hop, It wouldn't be a stretch to say that with another couple of poor releases, the writing would be on the wall.

Inspiration would come though, slowly but steadily over the course of a trip to Africa. Ghostface Killah and RZA retreated to the birthplace of man for months, and were left amongst different people, cultures, and landscapes. Why did they choose Africa? Who knows. Some speculated that Ghostface was seeking alternative treatment for his diabetes. Your guess holds as much merit as mine. But one thing that didn't have to be left to theorizing, was the shift in their attitudes as they emerged from their self-imposed exile. They were ready not just to invite themselves back to a seat at the dinner they helped prepare, but to relegate everyone back to the children's tables. Ghostface told The Source Magazine in 1999:

"With Ironman, I was going through a lot of trials and tribulations. But with this joint I'm trying to be a little bit more reflective and introspective."

He gave this interview early in '99. We know that Supreme Clientele was released in early 2000. Did that mean that Ghost had disappeared halfway across the world for a few months, began working on the project for another few moths upon returning, and it wouldn't end up coming out for another year? He was really sitting on this for almost two years? Well yes, I suppose. But it didn't unfold in the way that you think. 

 *** PHOTO GALLERY

Ghost, at his most intimidating.
A young Tony, reclining with his partner in crime.
Ironman chilling with RZA's brother, Divine.
Ghostface in one of his Supreme Clientele era outfits. 

 ***

Way back on a January evening in 1995, at a nightclub called the Palladium, had you been present, would have resulted in you seeing an excitable Ghostface Killah. You might have been tempted to go up to him and introduce yourself, then maybe ask for an autograph. That would have been a very bad idea. Because what put Ghostdini in such a riled up state, was the realization that his tires had been slashed. One thing led to another, and the night culminated with Ghost laying a beating on the valet who was supposed to be watching his wheels, and then relieving the man of $3000 dollars. 4 years later, the case rattles down the judicial pipeline just in time to halt whatever progress he's made on the record. Before you know it Ghost is being called before a judge, and almost immediately...

"copped out the six, five years probation."
-Ghostface Killah, Saturday Nite, Track 4 of Supreme Clientele

Cops out to 6 months in jail, and 5 years probation. He's immediately sent to the infamous prison Rikers island to begin his sentence right away. Separated from the studio and the rest of his ten-man team, his days spent are a reminder of the time that he's wasting. So he began to write. Penning lyrics to no music in his cell, many of these verses ended up on the album, comprising entire songs. The result was songs like the opener Nutmeg, in which he sounds like he's treading water on the beat, head above the waves and belting out his lines seemingly as they occur to him. That being said, Nutmeg is a perfect place, both stylistically and tracklist-wise, to begin the actual album's analysis.

Breakdown

Robotic, let's think optimistic
You probably missed it, watch me Dolly Dick it.
-Ghostface Killah, Nutmeg, Track 2, Supreme Clientele

The opening verse of the opening track to open the new millenium. And he's taunting you already. " You probably missed it." With the slang, double entendres and references so obscure he might as well be talking to himself, Nutmeg is like baked ziti. Ghost's words at first glance are the cheese that layers the top, inviting and rich. Dig past it and only then do you realize how deep the dish goes, and that you couldn't possibly digest it all. Like with good ziti though, even full to bursting, you couldn't be more satisfied and content, a feeling we can attribute to the soulful production envelloping you. The song samples Eddie Holman's "It's Over", with the primary melody being a flute pitched to sound like a human's voice. Light, airy, and with subdued percussion, the instrumental takes care not to overpower Ghost. That appears a stylistic choice that makes the tempo of the forthcoming track One, that much more immediate.

Trauma, hands is like candy canes, lay my balls on ice
The branches in my weed be the vein.
-One, Track 3, Supreme Clientele

The lyrics somehow, seem even less tangentially related, with Ghost maybe seeing the need to cut out any unnecessary lyrics to match the extra kick over the more assertive beat. Leaping from giving dick to Oprah to referencing DC's mayor's craving for crack, and stringing it along naturally, is only possible because Ghost completely disregards conjunctions or any association whatsoever. His stories are lively as ever, and each verse births a dozen vignettes, welded to chaotic cohesion. Saturday Nite, the song that follows, is a prime example of this. A snapshot of a wild Saturday for Ghostdini, spirals out of control as the Feds step in. His bars are dense, and while he isn't rapping quickly, the frantic Frank Zappa-like production behind him makes it feel that way. This song is the closest you'll get to a central plot over the entire tracklist, and he still makes it feel like you're translating runes. This initial pace finds itself dissipating slowly though, as Ghost settles into the more soulful pocket with tracks 5 & 6 Ghost Deini and Apollo Kids.

Everybody break bread, huddle around,
Guzzle that, I'm about to throw hair on your back,
Since the face been revealed, game got real,
Radio been gassing niggas, my imposters scream they're ill.
-Apollo Kids, Track 6, Supreme Clientele

If Ghost Deini is water unbroken and holding the sun's glittering reflection, then it would be apt to call Apollo Kids the wave that drags you down into Ghost's world. The soul influence becomes even more pronounced towards the middle of this album, but a smart Raekwon verse prevents Ghostface's voice from getting stale. These two tracks back to back do much to cement this album's sound, outside of any emotion an individual track may carry. Apollo Kids is definitely maximalist, with diverse instrumentation supporting Ghost's first verse assertions that now matter how hard you try and emulate his style, you're really not coming close. Track 7, The Grain, takes the album slightly off course, with a sort of inversion of the record's first song. Instead of the subdued percussion on Nutmeg, We see the kicks carry the beat, like blows to the stomach. Much like what Kanye did on the song Gotta Have It 11 years later, RZA's production manipulates the Rufus Thomas sample into the drum pattern itself, making for unique texture over the piano loop. Buck Fifty, a reference to catching a slash to the face, is the next song, coming with one of the larger feature lists on the project. Red, Meth, and Cappadonna pass the baton between each other seamlessly, with zero lack of chemistry. Their braggadocio suits the upbeat instrumental, which is short lived before we see the sound head off in a murkier direction with Mighty Healthy.

Both hands clusty, chilling with my man Rusty,
Low down, blew off the burner kinda dusty
-Mighty Healthy, Track 9, Supreme Clientele

Mighty Healthy sees the return of the classic Wu Tang sampling of martial arts movies. 1979's Shaolin Rescuers kicks the track off, with the vocal sample warning of how easy it is to kill once you've got the taste for blood. Ghost, who is at this point a serial killer for what he's done to the past 9 beats, ignores this sound advice and lays waste to another. It's fitting that this is the track that we see the implementation of the old Wu love for kung fu flicks, as it's reminiscent of the 36 chambers in many ways. Cold and gritty, it serves as a sharp break from the previous tracks, which played like The Supremes had gone onstage with dime-pieces in their Wallabies. A quick skit follows, painting the picture of an increasingly frustrated Ghost dealing with one of his crackhead clientele, and it's off to the races again with Stay True and We Made It, respectively. Here once more, Ghost follows a lighter song, with the hard hitting, brash, horn filled We Made It. The contrast makes it feel stronger by association, drawing your ear in further as Ghost meditates on his life after success. Superb delivers one of the best features on the album, speaking to some gritty depictions. That being said it's nowhere near as harsh as track 13, Stroke Of Death.

Thank God for my Wallabee shoes, they done saved me,
Up three-nothing and Salt Lake City,
Burgundy minks, whips with sinks in 'em
Brocolli blown, illa disease breath, elephant skin.
-Stroke of Death, Track 13, Supreme Clientele

Infamously described by Chris Rock as "so gangster it makes you wanna stab your baby sitter", Stroke Of Death has a beat that really leaves you questioning how it even sounds so good. It's plays like a loud microwave being brought back every two bars by a record scratch, without a drum presence. And it works. This track shines an important light on how strong Ghostface's aura is when he steps up to a mic. RZA does more than hold his own with the final verse on the song, getting his signature off-kilter flow to mesh wonderfully with the grim beat behind him. A skit succeeds this song, which is in turn succeeded by Malcolm, a track that interpolates a Malcolm X speech, woven into Ghost's interpretation of his philosophy. The instrumental is airy in a way that's not dissimilar to Nutmeg, while maintaining its own sound all the while. Another skit follows, with the clan discussing which celebrities they'd fuck, appearing as an odd choice for discussion when it's leading into the most heartfelt and intimate song on the project, Childs Play.

Puppy love, gorgeous face, amazed by lip gloss,
Cherry scent, when the princess spoked yo it bounched off,
Mole like Marilyn Monroe, threw a rose in her mouth,
Wherever God go will be Mrs. Cole,
-Child's Play, Track 17, Supreme Clientele

A rarely unguarded Ghostface invites you to take a trip down memory lane with him, as he speaks to common childhood experiences like infatuation and standardized testing. The piano heavy beat works beautifully, and we even see Ghost try his hand at singing a bit. It's a great song, and does wonders in establishing how well rounded the project is, inviting the listener deeper into his world than just bravado. The softer track trend continues with the next song, Cherchez- La Ghost. A bouncy melody, and whispering percussion, along with the RnB hook establishes Ghost's experimentation with club music. Sampling "Cherchez La Femme" by Dr Buzzard's Original Savannah Band, this song charted highly for Ghost, proving his adaptability. The lyrics are driven to a club audience as well, but that doesn't mean we don't see the lyrical stylings that makes Ghost unique. As much as we've been appreciating the tender tracks in this little run in the listing, Ghost swoops in one last time to remind us why we loved him in the first place, with a few Clan members in tow, on Wu- Banga 101.

Bottles goin' off in the church, we broke the wine,
Slapped the pastor, didn't know Pop had asthma,
He pulled out his blue bible, change fell out his coat,
Three condoms, two dice, one bag of dope.
-Wu Banga 101, Track 19, Supreme Clientele

The Wu Tang Clan assemble like Voltron on the last track of the album, with GZA kicking things off with a great verse. Ghost, Rae, Masta Killa, and Capadonna follow, spitting true to form over a classic Wu-Tang beat. Goes to show you, that no matter how fancy the meal is, sometimes you just want to close it out with some vanilla ice-cream.

And that's it. A distorted Raekwon dissing 50 Cent gets a track to itself after this, and one of Ghostface's classic Iron Man skits straight from the comic books, closes out the album. The album dropped, and the success was immediate. Supreme Clientele was met with instant acclaim and strong sales. Considered fun and witty, while still gritty and original, the record ushered in a new era for Wu relevance. Albums like Fishscale and OB4CL 2, were successes in the new millennium, partially because the Clan were able to hold onto their listeners by proving themselves as able to reinvent their sound. There is no doubt that this album saved the Wu Tang Clan.

But with all that being said, could they not have invested more time into their commercials?

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[DISCUSSION] Boogie - Everythings For Sale (1 Year Later)

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 10:07 AM PST

Its been a year since Boogie's Shady Records debut.

What do you think of this album? Boogie is a talented MC with a unique voice and really made a name for himself in 2019.

Favorite track?

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Kanye West being interviewed by DJ Whoo Kid right before crashing his car.

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 04:19 PM PST

[FRESH] Bryson Tiller - For Nothing (Ft. Lil Yachty)

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 07:55 PM PST

[FRESH] Tyler the Creator - BEST INTEREST

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 12:39 AM PST

Lil B Gives Lecture At Princeton University plus His female Heel Shoe Pr...

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 06:56 AM PST

Meek Mill - What's Free (feat. Rick Ross & Jay Z)

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 09:45 AM PST

The philosophy society of Trinity College Dublin gave Yung Lean the Bram Stoker medal for Lifetime Achievement and invited him for a 34 minute Q&A

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 04:23 AM PST

[FRESH SINGLE] Tyler, The Creator - GROUP B

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 01:25 AM PST

Slum Village - Selfish (ft. John Legend, Kanye West)

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 09:08 AM PST

[DISCUSSION] D'Angelo - Voodoo (20 years later)

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 06:03 AM PST

Voodoo is the second studio album by American neo soul singer, songwriter, and multi-instrumentalist D'Angelo. It was released on January 25, 2000, by Virgin Records.

D'Angelo recorded the album during 1998 and 1999 at Electric Lady Studios in New York City, with an extensive line-up of musicians associated with the Soulquarians musical collective. Produced primarily by the singer, Voodoo features a loose, groove-based funk sound and serves as a departure from the more conventional song structure of his debut album, Brown Sugar (1995). Its lyrics explore themes of spirituality, love, sexuality, maturation, and fatherhood.

Following heavy promotion and public anticipation, the album was met with commercial and critical success. It debuted at number one on the US Billboard 200, selling 320,000 copies in its first week, and spent 33 weeks on the chart. It was promoted with five singles, including the hit single "Untitled (How Does It Feel)", whose music video garnered D'Angelo mainstream attention and controversy. Upon its release, Voodoo received general acclaim from music critics and earned D'Angelo several accolades. It was named one of the year's best albums by numerous publications.

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JJ DOOM - GUV'NOR

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 06:53 PM PST

Wiz Khalifa - The Plan ft. Juicy J (Official Video)

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 11:21 AM PST

Beastie Boys - No Sleep Till Brooklyn

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 10:00 AM PST

Young Thug - Big Racks (feat. Lil Uzi Vert)

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 06:59 PM PST

Big K.R.I.T. Freestyle on Sway In The Morning | Sway's Universe

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 08:38 AM PST

Westside Gunn - Vivian At The Art Basel ft. Your Old Droog

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 11:11 PM PST

Nicki Minaj decides to deliver her fastest verse live acapella after experiencing sound delay

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 10:12 AM PST

Lil Wayne - Gotti (featuring The Lox)

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 02:40 PM PST

[FRESH ALBUM] Fly Anakin - at the end of the day.

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 09:02 PM PST

Buddy - Hollywood(feat. Kent Jamz)

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 02:07 PM PST

KEY! & Kenny Beats - Blurry

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 08:22 AM PST

Big Sean - Bigger Than Me (featuring the Flint Chozen Choir and Starrah)

Posted: 25 Jan 2020 06:25 PM PST
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