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Daily Discussion Thread 01/18/2020 - HipHop

Daily Discussion Thread 01/18/2020 - HipHop

Daily Discussion Thread 01/18/2020

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 06:25 AM PST

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Album of the Year 2019: YG - 4Real 4Real

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 09:14 AM PST

Artist: YG

Album: 4Real 4Real (In Loving Memory of Nipsey Hussle)

Spotify

Google Play Music

Apple Music

YouTube

Background:

Keenon Daequan Ray Jackson also known as YG is a Bompton born and raised rapper that has been known in the mainstream for about a decade now. The single 'Toot It and Boot It' which came out in 2010 was the first song that made YG start garnering popularity. YG released a few mixtapes (the most popular being the Just Re'd Up /2) leading up to his debut studio album 'My Krazy Life' which is mainly produced by Mustard and also has features from Drake, Kendrick, ScHoolboy Q, Jay Rock and others. 'My Nathan' would go 4x platinum and 'Who do you Love' would go 2x platinum. His sophomore studio album would come in early 2016, 'Still Brazy' which garnered major critical acclaim and made most end of the year top album lists. It combined both 90's GFunk with a more modern trap sound. In 2018 YG released his Junior album 'Stay Dangerous' which had a lot to live up to, following two certified west coast classics and arguably a modern classic in 'Still Brazy'. 'Stay Dangerous' was largely a huge disappointment both sound wise and content wise.

Sadly, leading up to '4Real 4Real' album rollout and YG's Coachella set West Coast legend and YG's best friend Nipsey Hussle was murdered in front of his own clothing store. This led to YG's senior album to be delayed for about a month. YG wanted to delay it longer but was getting pressure from his label and Blacc Sam (Nipsey's brother) was reassuring YG that Nipsey would want him to release the album. At his Coachella set YG announced that his album would be coming out in May and debuted his song Stop Snitchin. On BigBoyTV, YG announced that Nipsey's kids would be getting a percentage of each song on the album. YG prefaced it by saying "when they turn 18 they're going to be getting a bag from me."

YG has been successful because he reminds people of the gritty, funky, reality rap 90's West Coast hip hop. Certainly there are bigger artists from the West Coast at the moment like Tyler and Kendrick but neither do the job of bringing back the classic West Coast sound quite like YG does.

Track Review

Hard Bottoms and White Socks: The albums starts off with a different type of energy. We aren't used to hearing YG on a slow, somber beat but his tone and flow really pulls this song all together to make it a good intro. The whole song revolves around YG being the face of the West Coast. "Talkin' 'bout the West Coast, I'm the face of it" At the end of the first verse YG ends it with

Pac ain't the only motherfucker with the juice

Call Dre, call Snoop, call Game and Kendrick too.

When you think about the West, it's me and Nip, red and blue

I haven't heard Dre talk about YG, but I know Snoop, Game and Kendrick have all praised YG and if you asked any of them they would probably say that YG and Nip were the faces of the West Coast (Kendrick kinda ascends 'West Coast'). Snoop Dogg has talked about YG on his GGN podcast. All the kids on his youth football team say that YG is their favorite rapper. Also Snoop picked YG to perform with him at the Rock and Roll induction ceremony commemorating Tupac. The two performed '2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted' with YG playing the part of Pac. Snoops shows love to everyone though so you can take that for what you want.

Bottle Service: The first song on the album produced by Mustard. In my opinion YG's best work is when collaborating with Mustard. The Interlude of the song is a women who we can assume is a stripper berating YG for being at the strip club but not spending money on bottle service and not being charitable with his cash donations. The song is a back and forth between the stripper and YG. Whenever she berates YG, he answers back by bragging about all the wealth he owns and how he can get a badder bitch then her.

In the Dark: This song was originally going to be the lead single for the album. It was actually released the night after the death of Nipsey Hussle but was quickly taken off of streaming services (within the hour). This left a lot of people confused and what most likely led YG to announce that he had a surprise album set to release right before his Coachella performance but was postponing it because of the death of Nipsey Hussle. The song delves a little bit into YG and his relationship with Alcohol. YG loves Tequilla and typically performs live with a bottle in his hand. I hope that YG's drinking is something he talks about more. I think a lot of people from his background struggle with alcoholism and could use a strong voice to represent them. Also the hook implies YG is a fan of Scorsese? wild.

Go Loko: This song came about when YG and Tyga were in the studio with Mustard working on Mustard's album 'Perfect Ten'. Mustard played the song for the two and forced them to get in the studio and make something out of it and it basically confirms that somehow Mustard, Tyga, and YG will have a summer song each year no matter how much you think they have fallen off. Not familiar with Jon-Z but his voice was pretty unique, I didn't think he added much to the song though. From what I've seen around Twitter a lot of people wish YG had a more prominent latino rapper on the track. This was the second single from the album and it hit the Hot 100 that week. The song brings a good energy that celebrates Mexican culture. YG went to Paramount High School which is mostly Latino, YG has a lot of respect from that community and shows a lot of respect that way.

Stop Snitching: This song was debuted at Coachella. While performing the song at Coachella the monitors behind him showed Tikashi 6ix9ine's mugshot. I'm not going to go into a deep dive of the beef between the two but a lot of West Coast rappers feel some type of way about 6ix9ine and the way he carries himself. On top of that since the 6ix9ine trial we literally have a popular meme that is about him snitching on others.There is also a lot of symbolism in the music video. The music video showcases slaves trying to escape their masters, the night the slaves are trying to escape, one of the house slaves snitches on them which in return gets the runaways captured, beaten, and killed. Pretty heavy symbolism for a song that is repetitive in nature with lyrics that don't take that deep of dive into the subject of snitching. Also there is a remix with DaBaby which goes hard. I'm hoping for more collabs between the two in the future, their energy goes well together.

I Was On the Block: A song where YG copies Valee's flow, but that's okay because Valee is a feature along with fellow Compton rapper Boogie. I think everyone on the song does a good job and has a good mellow flow that fits the tone of the song. The song delves into each rapper point of view of "being on the block" and Valee brings in his perspective as a Chicago rapper.

I was on the block when the homie sack flipped (Flipped)

I was right there when he got his new whip (Whip)

I was with a six-piece, he had a cool bitch (Bitch)

I was right there when the homie got rich (Rich)

I was wearing the fade when the homie had the braids (Braids)

I was right there helpin' homie with the plays (Plays)

I was in position because I would never hate (Hate)

Now it's my time, and I'm gon' throw it in your face

In the song YG watches his friend gain wealth and flaunt it on the block and years later now that YG is that guy, he is going to shove it back in his face. Reasons like that is probably why YG has been shot at despite making it out of the hood. People envious and don't know how to properly release their anger.

Kiesha Had a Baby: Is an ode to Tupac - Brendas got a Baby. YG has had a lot of misogynistic bars in the past, but YG does a good job of telling a story of a woman named Kiesha and her life being a good looking woman in Southern LA. The story is one that I think a lot of women in LA have lived or know someone that has lived. Kiesha started seeing a guy named Ray. Ray was a great guy, the two were great together. Well when she was with Ray she started seeing an NBA player. She left Ray for the NBA player and got pregnant by him. Well that NBA player fucks around with other girls. Kiesha leaves his ass and tries to go back to Ray. Ray turns her down and Kiesha is now stuck, with a baby and doesn't feel like she has anyone to go to.

This track stands out to me because it feels like the first genuine story telling song that YG has done. It reminds me a little bit of Mona Lisa by Lil Wayne. Songs on 'My Krazy Life' tell a story but the story is overshadowed by the production and over the top lyrics ('Meet the Flockers' for example). I hope that YG continues to give us songs like this and even experiments with a concept album in the future, I believe he has the pen game to do it.

Heart 2 Heart Probably one of the most important songs on the album. The song has both YG and Meek having a heart to heart with the people in their city. Each rapper talks about a different person from their respective city. In this song YG reminds me a lot of the way Nipsey speaks. Giving brotherly advice, helping guide people to their own success.

Whatever you wanna do, just put your mind to it and do it

Calculate your steps, draw your blueprint, get to it

*Find some helpin' hands that's gon' contribute to your movement

'Cause anything is possible, just look at me, I proved it

Focus on improvement, results, no excuses

Stick to the script, know your vision, never lose it

Meek talks about someone from Philly that he knows. The person kills someone over something stupid. The man is going to be locked up for most of his life now and Meek hopes that he gets the mental health treatment he needs. I think rappers like YG and Meek should make more songs like this, it's good advice to people from their city that inspire to be them.

Do Yo Dance: Is a callback to YG's 'Twist my Fingaz' on 'Still Brazy' an old school GFunk sounding song. Do Yo Dance is loaded with friends of YG's from the West Coast and has a similar GFunky sound that matches 'Twist my Fingaz'. I think the song has too many features and is dragged out too long. Ty Dollar Sign to me is always a hit or miss and I think he is a miss on this. I am looking forward to hearing more from Mitch who is signed to YG label.

My Last Words: Is the audio of YG eulogizing long time friend Nipsey Hussle at his memorial service at the Staple Center. YG and Nipsey both came up in the industry together. Hell, Nipsey makes an appearance in the Toot It and Boot It music video. Often collaborating and really helping bring a new wave of energy to the West Coast. Although repping separate colors that wouldn't let that stand in the way of being business partners, music partners and best friends. I'm going to delve more into the relationship between YG and Nipsey Hussle for a writeup I'm doing on /r/NipseyHussle to commemorate the life and legacy of Nipsey on the anniversary of his death.

Conclusion

I think 4Real 4Real was a major step up in production and content compared to 'Stay Dangerous'. YG has a mix of hard hitting reality rap, party rap and story telling on this album. It is by no means comparable to 'My Krazy Life' or 'Still Brazy', but I do think that it tells us that 'Stay Dangerous' was a fluke and that YG isn't on a downward trend. Mustard was a lot better with the production on this album, a lot less experimental choosing to come back to what works with him and YG bass that makes our socks fly off. Lot's of people skipped this album because of the disappointment of 'Stay Dangerous', if you did skip this album I would urge you to go listen to it, YG opens up on this album about where he feels his place is in the rap game, how keeping connections to his previous life has haunted him and how he has nothing left to prove that he is a West Coast legend.

The West Coast has been on an uphill trend as of late, most notably Roddy Ricch surprising everyone selling 100k and having a major hit on Billboard charts (thanks TikTok and shitty Justin Bieber single). I think YG has played a big part in bringing the West Coast back to the main stage. I'm excited to see what's next from YG. There's been talk for years about a collab album with Nipsey. I wonder if anything will come from that? Also heard rumors that him and Meek Mill have been in the studio together. Would love to hear more from those two. To me YG is always a must listen, despite his flukes I feel like he always brings energy to a track that no other artist on the West is capable of bringing.

Interviews

BigBoyTV

Breakfast Club

Favorite Lyrics

Hard Bottoms and White Socks

Pac ain't the only motherfucker with the juice

Call Dre, call Snoop, call Game and Kendrick too

When you think about the West, it's me and Nip, red and blue, nigga

In the Dark

I'm in the dark goin' brazy

I'm in the dark throwin' twenty past eighty

I'm in the dark, it's a movie, Scorsese

I'm in the dark, that's how life been lately

In the dark

I Was On the Block

Yeah, I had a meeting with Kanye (Yeah)

Yeah, we had a good convo (Yeah)

These was the words from Kanye (Yeah)

"Fuck bein' humble, act a asshole"

I Was On the Block

Boogie

Fuck it, I'm gon' remix it, bitch

'Cause I'm a deep feelin', lease livin'

Weave stricken, wish I seen different

But I couldn't, I done had it bad

Heart 2 Heart

"Whatever you wanna do, just put your mind to it and do it

Calculate your steps, draw your blueprint, get to it

Find some helpin' hands that's gon' contribute to your movement

'Cause anything is possible, just look at me, I proved it

Focus on improvement, results, no excuses

Stick to the script, know your vision, never lose it

Discussion Questions:

  • Do you think YG redeemed himself with this album after the disappointment of Stay Dangerous?
  • After their long history of working together do you still find that YG excels on Mustard production?
  • Do you think YG is the face of the West Coast like he claims in the intro of the album?
  • What do you think is YG's favorite Scorsese film?
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The interview with Jay-Z where two chicks are eating each other out to his left

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 06:25 PM PST

Kanye West joins two prominent anti-LGBTQ crusaders as one of twelve headliners of prayer rally ‘Awaken 2020’ happening today in Arizona

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 10:04 AM PST

Article:

Kanye West will be featured as the headliner of Awaken 2020, a 10-hour-long prayer rally in Arizona, which is being billed as the "first epic evangelical stadium event of the decade."

West has announced that he will bring his gospel choir Sunday Service to the Jan. 18 event, which will take place at the Sun Devil Stadium in Phoenix, Ariz.

The appearance by the hip-hop mogul is being seen by many in the Evangelical community as a way which will be used by God to "help spark the next national spiritual awakening in the United States," according to Arizona-based conservative news site The Western Journal.

According to the event's page, organizers of Awaken 2020 are inviting participants to "open the door and enter into a new era, a new decade, of revival that is bringing a movement of signs and wonders, healing of the sick, and preaching of the gospel."

West will join a roster of high profile anti-LGBTQ cusaders in the "monumental movement launching a new decade of awakening America back to God at a critical time in our nation's history."

The long list of Evangelical celebrities include:

  • Ardent Trump defender Guillermo Maldonado, who has said that having same-sex relations is "clearly prohibited by God" and "invites unclean spirits into our lives," according to the Advocate;
  • Ché Ahn, who has said that LGBTQ equality "is not a civil rights issue" because they never had "rights taken from them," as reported by Right Wing Watch;
  • "Prophet" Cindy Jacobs of Generals International, who has warned that passage of legislation to prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity, the Equality Act, could lead the nation to "come to a place of civil war;"
  • Lou Engle, one of the more prominent players on the American religious right, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, who has called homosexuality a "spirit of lawlessness," was a vocal proponent of Uganda's "Kill the Gays" bill, and once claimed Nazism was fueled by homosexuality.

Cindy Jacobs and Guillermo Maldonado are two of the 12 keynote speakers, including Kanye. Others include Daniel Kolenda, Brian "Head" Welch, Jerame Nelson, Jake Hamilton, Jeremy Riddle, David & Stephanie Herzog, Eddie James, and Steve Swanson.

Daniel Kolenda is a missionary evangelist who has led more than 21-million people to Christ face-to face through massive open-air evangelistic campaigns in some of the most dangerous, difficult and remote locations on earth. As the successor to world renowned Evangelist Reinhard Bonnke, Daniel is the president and CEO of Christ for All Nations; a ministry which has conducted some of the largest evangelistic events in history, has published over 190 million books in 104 languages and has offices in 10 nations around the world. He also hosts an internationally syndicated television program.

Dr. David & Stephanie Herzog are the founders of David Herzog Ministries.

Brian Welch, also known by his stage name Head, is an American musician, singer and songwriter. He is one of the guitarists and founding member of the nu metal band Korn. After becoming a born again Christian, Welch left the band in 2005 to focus on life as a father and to pursue his own solo career.

Jerame Nelson is a prophetic revivalist and the founder of Elisha Revolution. He is an author, as well as a well-known international conference speaker. It is Jerame's passion to equip the body of Christ in hearing God's voice and in walking in the supernatural power of God in every day life.

Jake Hamilton is an American Christian praise & worship singer and songwriter. Hamilton released the album entitled Marked By Heaven in 2009, which was his first full-length live album.

Jeremy Riddle is an American Christian musician, songwriter, and worship leader.

Steve Swanson travels around the world leading worship and training a generation of worshipers into abandoned joy and fullness of glory.

Engle appears to have previously been a headliner but is no longer shown on the website. Same for Ché Ahn.

Livestream

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Royce Da 5’9” turned down $250,000 + unlimited free Dr. Dre beats from Aftermath, instead signed with Tommy Boy for $1 million

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 03:11 PM PST

Royce da 5'9" - Boblo Boat ft. J. Cole

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 02:18 PM PST

Sacramento rap pioneer Homicide has passed away.

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 03:10 PM PST

Homicide was one of the first rappers to release music out of Sacramento, the first to sign with a major and the first I heard rep Oak Park (Lil Tim/Mozzy, June, C-Dubb, etc.) Throughout his career he was signed to Black Market Records, Mercury Records, Priority Records (first artist signed and/or managed by Ben Baller) and Ruthless Records. He was also a member of The 9one6 Alliance, Sacramento's version of groups like The Stop The Violence Movement ("Self-Destruction") and The West Coast All-Stars ("We're All In The Same Gang".) The Alliance's single "Silence the Violence" was the first release from Black Market Records, the label that would later release the debut albums of X-Raided and Brotha Lynch Hung. Before founding Black Market Records, Cedsing was a member of Homicide's J.A.K. Squad and produced his debut album. Details about the cause of death haven't been posted anywhere as far as I know, I've only seen posts on social media from people who knew him.

Some Homicide songs (all good, but my favorites are in bold):

Features:

Marvaless: "Rest easy Homeboy💞💓💗 #SACLEGEND #HOMICIDE" (via Instagram)

Cellski: "TELL NUT I SAID WHAT UP BIG BRO...RIP HOMICIDE...OAK PARKS FINEST...IM SICK....#riphomicide" (via Instagram)

X-Raided: In 1990 a fifteen year old boy from South Sacramento had a dream of being a real rapper. It was just a fantasy because there were no rappers from Sacramento at a level where someone else could believe they could do it too. Then while laying on a bed in juvenile hall, that boy heard a song on the radio called "Dhog House," made by a brother named Homicide from Oak Park. He had a booming voice. He told stories in his verses about streets the boy knew well. That fifteen year old was inspired and came to believe that a rapper from Sacramento could not only make music, but could do it just as good as anyone. Months later the boy would drop an EP as X-Raided. A year after that, Psycho Active was born. Sacramento rap pioneer Homicide made me believe it was possible. Rest In Peace to the brother with the big voice from Oak Park. #916 #sacramento #SacramentoLegend #LearnAboutIt #RIPHomicide 🕊 😇 #XRaided (via Instagram)

Big Omeezy: R.I.P To My Folks #Homicide @westcola456 #Sacramento #priority #Legend 🙏🏾💯 @priorityrecords (via Instagram)

Big Drawz (2-Illeven): Wow! Sleep well my friend. You will be missed and never forgotten. #HOMICIDE #BIGHOMIE #REALONE #DAYONE #BLOOD (via Instagram)

Cedsing (Black Market Records CEO/Member of J.A.K. Squad): Rest in Power, last night my old friend Justin Moorer aka Homicide was found unresponsive and pronounced dead and I am heart broken. I have known him since he was 16 years old. My connection to him was like a brother. He had fallen on bad times in the last few years and he was unable to shake the darkness that he had fallen into. Our last few conversations were not good ones but it never changed the love I have for him. I will not remember that I will remember the other 90% when we were on the same page and path. The battles me fought together to make something out of nothing to make an impact in music. I will miss you my friend because I know you loved me also despite your troubled heart. (via Instagram)

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Lupe Fiasco tweets "Yo Joe Budden Lemme get yo slaughterhouse spot"

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 10:19 PM PST

This is definitely just a joke, but one could imagine.

https://twitter.com/lupefiasco/status/1218760434276294662?s=21

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J.I.D Freestyle — 2018 XXL Freshman

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 09:59 PM PST

[FRESH] Eminem ft Anderson .Paak - Lock it Up

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 01:25 AM PST

[FRESH] Eminem - Farewell

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 05:35 PM PST

[DISCUSSION] The Game - The Documentary (15 years later)

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 07:16 AM PST

On January 18th, 2005, The Game dropped the West Coast classic The Documentary.

It features artists like Nate Dogg, 50 Cent, Eminem, Busta Rhymes and has producing credits from Dr.Dre for most of the album but also Kanye West ("Dreams"), Havoc ("Don't Need Your Love"), Timbaland ("Put You On The Game") or Just Blaze ("Church For Thugs").

Songs like Hate It Or Love It are considered as one of the best hip-hop tracks of all time, this track and How We Do are still the biggest hits he made to this day.

How do you feel this album aged 15 years later? How do you feel about the Documentary 2 / 2,5, do you feel like they honor the name of the original?

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Video of Da Baby pushing a hotel worker.

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 10:14 AM PST

Video on Tmz

DaBaby likes his fans, but only so much, because when they ask for too much he might attack. Check out the video ... from a security cam at a Bev Hills hotel. We're told the guy in the video is a hotel employee who followed DaBaby outside the lobby to get a pic. We're told DaBaby turned the guy down, so he walked back in the lobby

Why is Da Baby so mad?

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[FRESH VIDEO] 070 Shake - The Pines

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 11:21 AM PST

Nardwuar | If I Interviewed The Weeknd

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 07:52 PM PST

Donnie Trumpet & The Social Experiment - Warm Enough (feat. Noname & J. Cole)

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 07:50 AM PST

Happy Birthday Mac Miller

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 10:40 PM PST

[DISCUSSION] Aesop Rock & TOBACCO- Malibu Ken (1 year later)

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 10:22 AM PST

Suprised there's no thread for this one. it's been a year since Aes & TOBACCO release their self-titled debut as malibu ken. What are people's opinions a year on? Pretty much all of it's still on heavy rotation for me.

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Maxo Kream - Big Worm

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 05:51 PM PST

Mixing Engineers for Jay Z and Kendrick Lamar sit down at NAMM and talk audio

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 03:46 PM PST

[FRESH] Rick Ross - Future Bright (feat. Bryson Tiller)

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 11:33 AM PST

[LEAK] Juice WRLD - Runaway

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 12:28 PM PST

[FRESH] Peso Peso Ft. Maxo Kream - I Was Trapping

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 08:07 PM PST

Can anyone ID the song and the performer from Yams day 2020? (My bad bout my voice)

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 06:09 PM PST

J Cole verse on Bas “Night job” ����

Posted: 18 Jan 2020 11:35 PM PST
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