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Daily Discussion Thread 12/22/2020 - HipHop

Daily Discussion Thread 12/22/2020 - HipHop

Daily Discussion Thread 12/22/2020

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 07:50 AM PST

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Album of The Year #3: KA - Descendants of Cain

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 10:35 PM PST

Artist- KA

Album- Descendants of Cain

Listen to the album

Youtube

Spotify

Apple

Purchase from the artist

KA

Kaseem Ryan is a 48 year old rapper from Brownsville, New York. Born in the 70s, he speaks often on New York street life; his role in it, and how it affected him, and his family and friends. Although he is from from Brownsville similar to M.O.P, Heltah Skeltah (riP), Mike Tyson & RZA, his unique smooth militant style sets his apart from others. Ka's raps often contain parables and homonyms and all that other dope shit you wack muhfuckers know nothing about.

IRON WORKS

Ka's career may not be an illustrious one, but he should be recognized as notable. Ka began his career rapping in a group by the name of Natural Elements in the early 90s. After that he was in a group named Nightbreed with his good friend Kev (rip). Ka; not seeing any progress in his career, took a break from music. Still having lyrics come to him, he began working on a debut album "just for his friends". That debut album "Iron Works" got to GZA by a friend of Ka's wife. He got his first notable placement by The GZA after GZA heard Iron Works, and invited Ka to rap on his album "Pro Tools" in 2008.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmXxBCQIhto (Produced by Roc Marciano by the way)

"Went from crawl to run. We want all or none. Being fatherless bothered us, so everybody we called em SON."

Editors note- Like cmon; man spits like 64 bars on this joint. GZA said NAH MAN THE TRACK IS YOURS, I DONT WANNA RAP AFTER THAT -.

It's almost a crime to quote one or two lines when Ka puts together thick parables. After listening to most of his discography; most albums follow a broad overlying theme, with almost every song expanding on it.

For example Iron Works(2008) has songs about

  • 1.His father getting arrested for avenging the life of his brother (ka's uncle) when Ka was young enough to see but not old enough to understand.

  • 2.Ka getting his first gun; and although it being dirty, taking it everywhere with him.

  • 3.Ka detailing the experience of seeing and experiencing police injustice towards him and his peers.

But my favorite song from this album is "Patience". Hearing the song how it fits in the album really shows the growth and maturity to the character that was detailed and described on this project. Ka initially writes as a hot-headed psuedo-immature character from the start of the album; that at this point has evolved into a working class gentleman with a family. This song details the turning point that test him. Will he revert back to his street ways that he has known for his whole life, or will he turn the other cheek? https://youtu.be/QgDywe9k_V4

KA'S STYLE

Ka typically works alone. Most of Ka's songs are produced by himself. And then he raps every verse. And then he shoots and edits the video himself. Mans is a one man team. A good example is this video from 2011 with a feature from a young(-ish) Roc Marciano. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMcUKX9kf9A

This video vividly depicts Ka's style perfectly. Black and white. Shaky camera. No glamour and glits. Raw.

In his interviews KA speaks often about "honor" and his music shares the same sentiment. He also often speaks on the duality of man, with lyrics like

  • "Momma told me be a good boy, need you alive, please survive, you my hood joy. Pops told me stay strapped son. keep the shotty, either be a body or catch one."-Conflicted

  • "I know niggas that didn't turn Pro, turned cons."-Cold Facts

  • "Judge me too quick, mistake me as a heathen. Cause i had tools, moved weight, and was theaving......But i was broke, out the gate i was grieving. Had a cold heart cause my apartment was friezing. -Cold Facts

  • "How i'm unique is, if i speak it, i had visual. But careful, cause everything i say is admissible."

  • "I'm The Wolf, don't make a move unless I do it first/You might hear better, but there's no truer verse. I'm one with the gutter, I'm too immersed/Struggle's what I'm quoting, and hoping I'm through the worst-Vessel

DECENDANTS OF Cain KAIN

More recently Ka released "Orpheus vs. the Sirens", one of my personal favorite albums by him. Despite the album being an incredible display of lyricism, the overlying theme of biblical refrences is focused and plentiful. The same can be said for this album "Decendants of Cain"; even the albums title alone having a double meaning. "Cain" being the firstborn son of Adam & Eve, who would kill his brother over hatred, and "Caine" being short for cocaine and how it effected Ka growing up in New York when it was rapant.

The album begins with "Every now and then"; an intro that invokes pain and sadness from instruments i can't even name. The following track "Unto the dust" details how Ka often sees his friends and family not "pass away" but be killed.

"Street LIVE, we don't die, we pass away. Take any task if you got cash to pay".

Patron Saints is an incredible track where Ka spends the entire song speaking in antithesis.

"Our peacekeepers (Piece keepers) bust they gun repeated. Our careGIVERS stole everything that we needed." ending the track with "Our heros sold herion (heroine)".

My Brother's keeper is the climax of the album for me, where Ka spends a little short of 3 minutes DESTROYING this beat, spending 2 bars to repeat the hook "Am i my brothers...keeper." When Ka says things like "Put food on that table as long as i'm able-bodied" you can miss the double meaning if not paying attention.

My personal favorite song on the album goes to "Sins of The Father". Remember earlier when I attached that video with KA and Roc Marciano. Roc is the only feature on the album, all while producing this beautiful opera-like instrumental. Ka begins the song "Still built my ark in the face of ridicule" with Roc picking up on the theme of the album stating" Cain killed Able in prison...while upstate on a visit.".

The album ends with a beautiful dedication from a man we assumed who was incapable of emotion. The song; each verse scripted to a different person in his life, i feel is a great way to end the album. The verses being for his mom, his wife, and his friend and musical partner, Kev, from that group that he began his career with.

In Conclusion

  • How did you like the album? What would you rate it? you the best you the best what should i review next?

  • For those already fans of Ka, where do you rate this in the discography?

  • For those just now listening to this album, what do you like or not like about this album?

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Mixtapes were the heart of hip-hop culture in the 90’s. Until an arrest in 2007 brought it all down.

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 02:38 PM PST

What are the biggest/ most important moments in hip hop of the decade?

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 06:59 AM PST

I was thinking about this last night. There are definitely a few ways to conceive of this, but specifically I wonder what singular events or moments had the most impact. Here are a few I came up with (in no particular order):

Kendrick's Pulitzer

Drake vs Meek

Lemonade/ 4:44

Kanye's rollercoaster of emotions

Migos performing on Ellen

6ix9ine's rise and fall

Control verse

"Panda"

Guwop outta jail/ Gucci clones

Nicki's verse on "Monster"

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Why is heroin nearly nonexistent in Hip-hop?

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 10:33 AM PST

Rock music has a looong history with heroin. It took many of the greats like Joplin, Cobain, Hendrix, Morrison, etc.

Jazz and Blues music arguably has an even worse history with the stuff.

Hip-hop, for the most part, has stayed away from this shit even in the midst of the worst opioid epidemic the country has ever seen.

I know one of the dudes in $uicideboy$ is a recovering addict and it seems like Dex is/was off the food recently. Other than that, I can't think of another case of a rapper getting strung out on the heron. Rappers talk about selling heroin, selling percs, popping percs, but never doing the h.

Idk, just curious what people think the reason is for this.

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[FRESH ALBUM] Navy Blue - Song of Sage: Post Panic!

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 06:57 PM PST

Playboi Carti seemingly uses Atlanta group Two9’s name to brand his own merch

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 07:16 PM PST

NLE Choppa says "Just finna drop my old shit at this point" because "ain’t nobody listening fuck that shot" aka to his new music

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 04:51 PM PST

Most Streamed Hip-Hop Albums on Spotify in 2020

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 10:16 AM PST

Source: https://twitter.com/RapCaviar/status/1341446358507634688

List:

  1. Pop Smoke - Shoot for the Stars Aim for the Moon
  2. Juice WRLD - Legends Never Die
  3. Roddy Ricch - Please Excuse Me For Being Antisocial
  4. Lil Uzi Vert - Eternal Atake (Deluxe) - LUV vs. the World 2
  5. Juice WRLD - Goodbye & Good Riddance
  6. DaBaby - BLAME IT ON BABY
  7. Eminem - Music to Be Murdered By
  8. Travis Scott - ASTROWORLD
  9. XXXTentacion - ?
  10. Drake - Dark Lane Demo Tapes
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How Bad Is Your Spotify?

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 10:05 PM PST

“Timbs for my hooligans in Brooklyn” -- How hip hop's love for Timberland made it a billion-dollar company even if that love wasn't reciprocated -- "their CEO thought that if their clothes are celebrated in the black, urban community, with all its ills, that it will cheapen their brand names”

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 05:04 AM PST

KEY! reveals cover for new album "The Alpha Jerk" dropping 1/1/21

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 08:50 AM PST

Twitter Source

Mirror

Fully produced by Tony Seltzer

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Came across it again during my random shuffle, always fire. Slang Blade (feat. Senim Silla)

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 06:28 PM PST

[DISCUSSION] Jeremih - Late Nights: The Album (5 Years Later)

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 09:07 AM PST

Late Nights (released with the subtitle Late Nights: The Album) is the third studio album by American singer Jeremih. It was released on December 4, 2015, by Def Jam Recordings. The album serves as a sequel to his mixtape Late Nights with Jeremih (2012) and the follow-up to his second studio album All About You (2010). Recording sessions took place during 2013 to 2015. The production on the album was handled by several producers, including: London on da Track, The Mekanics, Soundz, DJ Mustard, Needlz, Vinylz and Frank Dukes, among others. The album features guest appearances from Ty Dolla $ign, Jhené Aiko, Migos, Juicy J, YG, Twista, Future, Big Sean, J. Cole and Feather. Late Nights was supported by four singles; "Don't Tell 'Em", "Planez", "Oui" and "Pass Dat".

Do you think the album has aged well, and how do you rank it among the best R&B albums of the last decade? Favorite/Least Favorite songs? Did this live up to the hype?

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[FRESH VIDEO] POP SMOKE - WHAT YOU KNOW BOUT LOVE (Official Video)

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 01:30 PM PST

Run The Jewels – Walking In The Snow (Official Trailer) [Official Music Video out on Dec 29]

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 09:34 PM PST

Album of The Year #2: Open Mike Eagle - Anime, Trauma + Divorce

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 04:30 AM PST

Artist: Open Mike Eagle

Album: Anime, Trauma + Divorce

Listen:

Bandcamp

Tidal

Apple Music

Spotify

Background

Open Mike Eagle, Southside legend, underground hero, if you don't know by now, I'm not gonna catch you up you can do yourself a favour and go listen to Dark Comedy, go listen to Unapologetic Art Rap, Hella Personal Film Festival, Brick Body Kids Still Daydream etcetera! I could go on the point is you are missing out and I'm not here to underwhelmingly describe in text what you could explore for yourself with your ears he has hands down one of the best back catalogues of the past 10+ years and if this album vibed with you at all and you haven't checked out his prior releases I'm sure they'll bless your soul too.

Review

Anime Trauma + Divorce is an intensely blunt title, just straight up describes what you're gonna get no fuss no muss (which is in complete contrast with his prior LP "Brick Body Kids Still Daydream") and immediately dumps the user into the world of trauma (and anime) with the track 'Death Parade' describing the cycle of abuse and how you carry it from one relationship (romantic or otherwise) to the next, never directly recounting what the initial trauma is because ultimately it's unimportant to this tale of woe, the only thing that matters is everything good and bad will have a knock on effect.

This however is just the tip of the iceberg, 2019 (yes 19! Not 20 who'd have thought) was a rough year for Mike, this album heavily details events that cut so deep they'll probably scar permanently, the crown jewel (what a terrible circumstance for this metaphor) of which being the divorce from his wife, the effects of this scattered across this album in its entirety, showing its constant weight on 'Bucciarati' (with a super delicate and sombre verse from Kari Faux) even long after the initial event, or causing him to anxiously hyper analyse everything on 'Sweatpants Spider-Man' and trying to discover himself after years of being one half of a whole.

There's also great pain in the ending of his show, The New Negroes (with Baron Vaughn), after just a singular season & the final collapse of Hellfyre Club along with him splitting from Mello Music Group as a whole and going it alone on his own label, Auto Reverse Records, which while aren't explored particularly in depth outside of the song 'Everything Ends Last Year' definitely give you an idea of where he was at in life while creating this record.

It's not all bad though, in between all this doom and gloom there's the classic super sharp self-aware hilarious OME we all know and love, poking fun at his flaws on tracks like 'Headass (Idiot Shinji)' and the therapeutic process as a whole in 'WTF is Self Care' which to me is one of the highlights of this record, just a pure comedic onslaught about a question most of us would like defined, immediately followed up with his own version of self care, 'I'm A Joestar (Black Power Fantasy)' isn't' a track I loved when it was released as a single but within the context of the album it's truly fantastic and such a beacon of joy and absurdity. I was discussing the album with my good friend /u/reptiie and he absolutely had a greater point than I did but what I picked up is that while this is a form of escapism and self-care for Mike on a personal level, the original title for this song 'Black People Need Anime The Most' is indicative of something bigger in that escapism is something that everybody needs but especially black people and with the lack of representation in media it's something they have to pull from anywhere and grasp on to even the tiniest of strands of relatability.

Beyond the comedy, I think there's a real silver lining in that all of this damage over a short period of time has truly made Mike appreciate the one constant aside from the music, even through all this mess, in his son Asa, littered both credited and not across this album I think it's wonderful how evident it is & truthfully it's kinda crazy how not bad he is as a rapper already, if '15~20ft Ocean Nah' is anything to go by (awful audio quality aside) he has a bright future ahead of him and a loving father to guide him. 'Asa's Bop' is very much a clear-cut example of just how much he is his saving grace, with the song detailing how just as Mike feels completely lost and powerless, he can hear him singing this nonsensical rhythm while skipping throughout the house and it uplifts his spirits to conquer anything.

2019 was an awful year for Open Mike Eagle, 2020 probably was too (even with endless fire merch from him and his co-conspirator Arthur Banach or the incredible podcast/interview/history lesson 'What Had Happened Was' with the legendary Prince Paul) but I truly hope he has a 2021 as great as this album is.

Favourite Lyrics

What the fuck is acrisis, anyway that I slice it

Gotta get an apartment, scared to look at them prices

Weird bachelor couches, my belly hanging like Ralphus

Re-reading old comic books, Rob Liefeld and them pouches

Sweatpants Spider-Man

In between and singing blues is the tendency

But Michael nimble, Michael move independently

He a paragon, peep the ten hour marathon

Studio cryin, watchin Evangelion

Asa's Bop

Ninety parts choice and like three parts destiny

I hate when my homies do coke and start textin' me

Make your own choices, self-care and your medicine

But I can see the sweat right there in the letterin'

The Edge Of New Clothes

If I was petty I would try it as a court case

The goddamn episode raised the divorce rate

This one episode broke my house

We was just sittin' there quiet on the couch

Was a good ten minutes then it all went south

So goddamn heavy couldn't open my mouth

Should've picked something else, anything else

Do The Right Thing Blu-Ray on the shelf

Or the bootleg tape of Will Ferrell in Elf

Cause now I gotta live with my goddamn self

The Black Mirror Episode

Talking Points

Which Black Mirror Episode was it (wrong answers only)

What's your favourite piece of media for escapism?

How do you think this album ranks among OME's discography?

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[DISCUSSION] Ty Dolla $ign - Free TC (5 Years Later)

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 09:05 AM PST

Free TC is the debut studio album by Ty Dolla Sign. It was released on November 13, 2015, by Atlantic Records. As executive producers, Ty Dolla Sign and Wiz Khalifa enlisted a variety of collaborators; including DJ Mustard, DJ Spinz, Cardo, Johnny Juliano, Kendrick Lamar, Brandy, Rae Sremmurd, E-40, Future, and Kanye West, among others.

Free TC received generally positive reviews from critics. The album debuted at number 14 on the US Billboard 200, selling 31,000 units in its first week. It was supported by four singles: "Only Right", "Blasé", "Saved", and "Wavy".

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M.I.A. feat. Timbaland - Come Around

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 10:10 AM PST

BLACK MOON - Reality...

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 09:06 PM PST

Yeezus Tour Movie

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 10:45 AM PST

Earl Sweatshirt - Nebraska (feat. Mac Miller & Vince Staples)

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 10:43 PM PST

Curren$y - Navigation Pimpin

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 10:25 PM PST

BEAST COAST Basement Cypher (Hosted by Big Tigger)

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 02:36 PM PST

Gossip - Lil Wayne

Posted: 22 Dec 2020 06:56 PM PST
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