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Lil Wayne - Drop The World ft. Eminem - HipHop

Lil Wayne - Drop The World ft. Eminem - HipHop

Lil Wayne - Drop The World ft. Eminem

Posted: 09 Apr 2022 10:09 PM PDT

[DISCUSSION] Why Did It Take a Decade for Rap to Evolve (80s-90s)?

Posted: 09 Apr 2022 09:18 PM PDT

When you listen to 80s rap,there was the common style of rapping you hear that was just very basic and followed the same 1-2 formula for bars (i.e. Sugar Hill Gang, Fat Boys, LL Cool J, Beastie Boys etc.)

Then you started slowly seeing some progression in this style with guys like Kool G Rap changing the 1-2 flow to a more rapid-fire type, guys like Rakim adding intra-line rhymes (aka internal rhymes), and guys like Slick Rick telling entire stories with their rhymes.

5 years later you got guys like 2pac taking the Slick Rick thing up a notch by playing double roles (i.e. Souljas Story), revisited almost a decade later by guys like Eminem (Stan), and guys like Nas taking the Rakim style up a notch by blending that with the Slick Rick style of storytelling. The flow that Kool G Rap improvised on then was imitated by guys like Chino XL, while guys like Snoop popularized a new way of flowing and in NY and the West Coast all new flows were being created and were soon all over the place. Guys like Jay Z were then mixing the Rakim style of wordplay while trying to create their own unique flows.

Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Common, these guys didn't exactly innovate the way these others did, but they kept that older "classic Hip Hop" style alive for those who loved it and they were cherished for it, and while this may have slowed progress in Hip Hop a bit, they made it more modern and focused more on the Rakim-style of classic rap rather than the more raw and basic form before that. It was like a very strong revisiting of the old stuff but with modern appeal. Kind of pulling the motion of rap back to its roots a bit (so much so that people began to identify it as "Hip Hop" instead of rap. Hip Hop up until the mid 90s or so was the entire culture, and the music and spoken word itself was "rap", just one very small part of Hip Hop. Hip Hop was the graffiti and the clothes etc. But people started calling this form of rap "Hip Hop", as if it encapsulated the entire culture unlike other forms of rap).

So why did it take over a decade for rap to evolve like this? Why didn't the millions of people rapping like Beastie Boys and the Fat Boys think "Hey, this is very basic, what if I put this word in the middle here, or what if I rap it a little faster?." I mean simply rhyming one word with another word at the end of each bar or rhyming in the same flow lasted almost a decade. Rakim shouldn't have been the outlier. There should have been 100 guys like him who thought "hey, we dont have to just rhyme a word at the end, we can put two words that rhyme in the middle of this sentence too.". That should have happened within the first few months of rap being born, or at the least, by the mid 80s it should have been the popular style. You had a million fans by then, thousands of rappers all working on this. How did it not reach that point sooner?

Was it because the people in control of things at the time (i.e. Rick Rubin and Russel Simmons) weren't willing to take a risk with new styles and kept pushing the old format on mainstream radio? One might argue that rap and hip hop was always a grassroots thing and new styles found their way to the masses regardless of mainstream play, through mixtapes, mc events etc.

Or is it because those interested in rap were, on average (we're not talking about every single person here), not as intelligent as the average person due to disenfranchisement and other social ills, so when guys like Rakim came along and did what should have been obvious to anyone at the time, they were worshipped as rap gods? If rap had been more popular and appealed more to the general masses like other forms of music (i.e. you would probably not find a Wall Street guy listening to 80s rap unless he was really trying to be edgy), would it have evolved more quickly because you'd have more brainpower involved and more of a chance of intelligent people listening to it and partaking in it?

It makes me wonder why it was so slow to advance, and it makes me feel like its all 30 years behind where it should be by now. Look at how quickly all other forms of music evolved. It seems like the only one that's done so at a turtle's pace. What do you think?

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