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Daily Discussion Thread 11/14/2019 - HipHop

Daily Discussion Thread 11/14/2019 - HipHop

Daily Discussion Thread 11/14/2019

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 09:55 AM PST

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Machine Gun Kelly plays the guitar for a cute little fan after she tells him that he didn't play her favorite song at the show

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 02:18 PM PST

[FRESH ALBUM] Tory Lanez - Chixtape 5

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 08:59 PM PST

Apple Music

Spotify

Tracklist:

  1. Jalissa's Back! (Skit)

  2. The Trade

  3. Jerry Sprunger (Feat. T-Pain)

  4. Beauty In The Benz

  5. Blowin' Mine's/Leah's Introduction

  6. The Take

  7. Broken Promises

  8. The Fargo Splash

  9. Luv Ya Gyal/Love Sounds

  10. Yessirr

  11. Best Of You/Busted (Skit)

  12. The Cry

  13. Still Waiting

  14. A Fool's Tale (Running Back)

  15. Thoughts

  16. If You Gotta...

  17. Room 112

  18. Last Love Letter (Skit)

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[FRESH ALBUM] Lil Peep - EVERYBODY'S EVERYTHING

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 09:03 PM PST

[FRESH VIDEO] YBN Cordae - Nightmares Are Real (feat. Pusha T)

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 09:00 AM PST

Migos Win Copyright Infringement Lawsuit Over "Walk It Talk It"

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 10:47 AM PST

[FRESH] Big K.R.I.T. - Ballad of the Bass (My Sub V)

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 09:01 PM PST

[VIDEO] ASAP Ferg holds a moment of silence last night in Indianapolis for ASAP YAMS on his birthday. Then performs Yamborghini High and Madeintyo goes crowd surfing

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 01:48 PM PST

[FRESH] A Boogie Wit da Hoodie - Reply (feat. Lil Uzi Vert)

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 09:03 PM PST

[DISCUSSION] Can we have a real conversation about industry plants?

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 03:58 PM PST

TLDR; the title of this post

The reason I'm writing this post is because I see the term "industry plant" being thrown around a lot, but there's no real consensus on what the term actually means. It's been talked about quite a bit on this subreddit, but I struggle to find any large discussion threads which really dive deep into the term. I don't expect any consensus to be reached, but I'm quite interested to hear the different opinions on the matter, and explore the idea in a bit more depth. I'll first lay out some of the common points people make when discussing the matter, and then give my two cents about what the term means to me.

Resources – This is a common thread in nearly all arguments made about industry plants. A small unknown artist gets a ton of money and resources thrown their way (mainly from large record companies) to help make them blow up fast. This comes in the form of marketing, radio promotion, tour promotion, high budget music videos, collabs, music production/mastering, writing, etc. A grey area resource that might also fit is one's connections to certain artists/producers which might help you land a big it.

Rise of popularity – Another common feature of an industry plant describes their rise to popularity. Artists who have shown to grow a fanbase independently and organically are excluded from the industry plant discussion. They can sign a deal with a major record label and be thrown a ton of resources to help them grow/sustain their growth, however you can't call them an industry plant because they have already shown to build a fanbase independently from major help. If however an artist's growth is not organic, and was only possible after a ton of resources were thrown their way, than they would be a prime candidate for an industry plant. It should also be said another element people cite is the speed at which they blew up. People are usually more apt to call somebody a plant if they had only heard about them a week ago, however now that artist is everywhere they look.

Deception – A big factor to many is also deceiving the public that you are independent, when in reality you are being backed by a major record label. They might release your music under a blank/misleading/obscured copyright, and the narrative crafted around the artist might also suggest (or explicitly state) that they came up on their own without the help of any major label. I have also heard of labels who hire professional meme makers to create and spread memes on social media to act like the buzz around a certain artist is larger than it actually is, this would be another form of deception in my mind.

Guidance/Control – I include this point because it is a large component for me (but not for everyone). This describes a label having a certain amount of control over an artist in what type of music they make or how they are branded. This could also be a subset of resources because it is tied to marketing, music production/mastering, music videos etc. This is especially prevalent in copycat artists, and label's trying to cash in on a trend. (looking at you lil pump lookalikes) It might also be a label handcrafting the writing, production, collabs, and giving a near finished track to an artist whose only job would be to sing over it. (happens quite frequently I might add especially for bigger artists) To some it might also include very young unknown artists who show some talent, but are "groomed" by the label to perfect their craft. (this one because a bit of a slippery slope but it is worth mentioning, and it includes artists like justin beiber)

Not to keep adding to this wall of text, but I would like to throw some hypotheticals out there to help guide discussion. Is control over an artist's music/image a necessary component? AKA if an artist writes/produces their music all by themselves, however did not previously have a platform to build a fan base before the label markets them, are they still a plant? Also if an artist is groomed by a label at a very young age, even though they might have shown a lot of talent to begin with, does that make them a plant? Does the speed of their growth affect anything? Do the resources need to be provided by a major label, or could hypothetically your rich uncle be supplying your hobby? If you had connections to a major artist (maybe through family) and that lands you big name features, does that make you a plant?

In my own view, I think there is a certain level of disrespect that comes with calling someone an industry plant, and for that reason I am fairly restrictive with my definition. To me, anybody who makes their own music without the help of a label must be excluded from the conversation no matter how much marketing and promotion they give them (with maybe the exception being if there is an egregious amount of deception to the public about whether the artist is signed) I think the most obvious industry plants are one's which copy current trends and that labels are trying to make a quick buck off of, and artists that are handed finished songs with their only job being to sing over it. Also artists whose public image is entirely crafted by the label seems a bit sketchy to me too. A common belief around here I see is that whenever a label funds an album and music videos for relatively unknown artists, people think this automatically makes them a plant. However with this broad definition, you would have to label the vast majority of artists as plants. Even in today's social media age where blowing up organically is a lot easier than it was 20 years ago, the truth is it is still pretty darn rare to make it in the industry without any help.

I think this conversation is most discussed in the realm of hip hop due to the history of the genre. Hip hop was built on stories of the struggle and long path of success. It has also had a long history of dismissing rappers with ghost writers as not true emcees. (although this sentiment has sure changed a lot over time) It is for these reasons I think that us hip hop heads feel slighted when artists blow up with an easy path and a lot of help. If you made it this far thank you a lot because this took a lot of time to write up. I'd love to know your guy's opinions and any misconceptions I might have!

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[FRESH ALBUM] DJ Shadow - Our Pathetic Age

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 09:01 PM PST

Apple Music | Spotify | Tidal | Google Play Music | Deezer

TRACKLIST

VOLUME 1

  1. Nature Always Wins
  2. Slingblade
  3. Intersectionality
  4. Beauty, Power, Motion, Life, Work, Chaos, Law
  5. Juggernaut
  6. Firestorm
  7. Weightless
  8. Rosie
  9. If I Died Today
  10. My Lonely Room
  11. We Are Always Alone

VOLUME 2

  1. Drone Warfare (feat. Nas & Pharoahe Monch)
  2. Rain On Snow (feat. Inspectah Deck, Ghostface Killah & Raekwon)
  3. Rocket Fuel (feat. De La Soul)
  4. C.O.N.F.O.R.M. (feat. Gift of Gab, Lateef The Truth Speaker & Infamous Taz)
  5. Small Colleges (Stay With Me) (feat. Wiki & Paul Banks)
  6. JoJo's Word (feat. Sho)
  7. Kings & Queens (feat. Run The Jewels)
  8. Taxin' (feat. Dave East)
  9. Dark Side Of The Heart (feat. Fantastic Negrito & Jumbo Is Dr.Ama)
  10. I Am Not A Robot - Interlude
  11. Urgent, Important, Please Read (feat. Rockwell Knuckles, Tef Poe & Daemon)
  12. Our Pathetic Age (feat. Sam Herring)
  13. Been Use Ta (feat. Pusha T) - Bonus Track
  14. Taxin' (feat. Dave East) - Long Version / Bonus Track
  15. Two Notes (feat. Barny Fletcher) - Bonus Track
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Noname appears on Millenials Are Killing Capitalism to discuss her Bookclub, and the inspiration behind it and her aspirations for it, including her plot to take down Amazon.

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 09:01 AM PST

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In this episode we talk to Noname about Noname's Bookclub, and the inspiration behind it and her aspirations for it, including her plot to take down Amazon. We get into conversations about capitalism, socialism, Paulo Friere's Pedagogy of the Oppressed, Noname's critique of American Exceptionalism in Song 32, and broader discussions about representation and the state of hip hop music today as a cultural vehicle for progressive change.

it's @queersocialism and @jaybeware's podcast. Here's the Patreon

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[FRESH VIDEO] PLAYTHATBOIZAY - POISON KLAN FEAT. DENZEL CURRY & ANONYMUZ

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 03:01 PM PST

[Fresh] Future - Last Name (feat. Lil Durk)

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 09:05 PM PST

[LEAK] A$AP Rocky - Best of Me

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 03:23 PM PST

Apple Music Replay shows you your most played songs and artists from the past year

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 07:49 AM PST

Mac Miller - Knock Knock

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 09:38 AM PST

[FRESH] Danger Mouse - Ninjarous (Ft Sparklehorse, MF DOOM)

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 09:04 PM PST

[FRESH] Jhené Aiko- None Of Your Concern (feat. Big Sean)

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 09:07 PM PST

[FRESH ALBUM] PlayThatBoiZay - Nocturnal

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 08:00 PM PST

[FRESH] Lil Peep - walk away as the door slams (acoustic) (ft. Lil Tracy)

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 09:09 PM PST

After being pepper-sprayed, Kodak Black punched the guard twice and then grabbed the guard’s testicles and held on “to the point where his abdomen and intestinal wall were breached,” an FBI agent testified.

Posted: 13 Nov 2019 11:19 PM PST

[FRESH VIDEO] Royce 5'9 - Black Savage ft. Sy Ari Da Kid, White Gold, CyHi The Prynce & T.I.

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 08:21 PM PST

[LEAK] Lil Uzi Vert - Thailand

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 11:38 AM PST

[FRESH ALBUM] Styles P-PRESENCE

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 09:36 PM PST
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