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The "new" Madvillain track is getting a lot of traction and people are freaking out and hoping for sequels. Let's not hold our collective breaths and rewind and take a look at the past decade.

Before we get started we need to get some things out of the way:

 1. I don't have insider info. 2. Don't ask me to send you any of the music I reference.

Why am I doing this?

About a year ago a thread had popped up about an unreleased freestlye by Tyler The Creator over a Madlib beat.

In this thread /u/madvillainz threw out a comment about Madlib Stans such as myself. I responded with a breakdown of the lesser-known Madlib project WLIB: King of the Wigflip.

The aforementioned post is the inspiration for this submission breaking down what's come out, when we heard it, and what (if anything) to expect from the duo of Madlib and Doom in the future.

So without further adieu, let's get into it.

Avalanche is here!

Awesome! It's a song by Madvillain that I love and I'm glad it's getting the attention it deserves. That said, it looks like there's some confusion amongst some of the more casual listeners as to when this came out. Or perhaps more-to-the-point: when it was first played publicly (who knows when it was recorded).

The current top post about this "new track" has gotten the treatment from our beloved mods of flair stating "Track was premiered in 2011". Not that I don't love being a member here but I beg to differ with this flair and with some of the excitement that this is new material.

Now let's take a second, think back

2006-2008:

Mfdoomsite.com's forums had started to dissipate. A replacement was needed. In comes The Stones Throw Message Boards aka STMB. I can't speak for that board's activity at-present but the last great moment I can recall was a thread "Yonkers" with a Black and White youtube video. We were blown away and OFWGKTA took off. In the meantime, we were dedicating threads to Flying Lotus' burgeoning post-Myspace career and speculating on if we'd ever see Flyamsam released. We didn't and won't according to AMA FlyLo with a British newspaper, the same AMA where he said a project was in the works with him, Jay Electronica, and Madlib.

When and what we would get as a follow-up to 2004's Madvillainy was a hot topic. There had been hints that both DOOM and Madlib continued to work together and that new music would arrive. Here are some of the the resurfacings we saw prior to J. Rocc's first playing of 'Avalanche':

-2005: Quasimoto - Closer featuring Madvillain

-2006: Madvillain - Monkey Suite*

*There's 2 versions of this song. The link above is to the first version that was released on a Stones Throw compilation known as Chrome Children. A remix with an added snare later appeared on Madvillainy 2: The Madlib Remix. I always personally debated if the song is actually supposed to be spelled "Monkey suit" as per on of the song lyrics but they just went with it after that.

-2008: Madvillainy 2: The Madlib Remix

They could have picked a better title for this. It's not 2, it's just a collection of solid Madlib remixes. On today's initial Avalanche thread I saw /u/THE_BIFOCAL_BROCCOLI 's comment about how we don't speak of this album. I honestly couldn't disagree more. Putting aside the title, there's some great Madlib beats on here as well as some interesting skits. Not to mention a few additional tracks were remixed that didn't appear on the original. Most notably an incredible remix of Air by Dabrye featuring DOOM from 2006. The remix was titled Butter King Jewels.

The second of the three tracks that did not appear on the original album but got remixed for this outing was Monkey Suit. There's not much to see here other than some re-worked drums.

Lastly, there was Madlib's remix of Space Ho's from 2005's Dangerdoom. An album, for those who don't know, that was a collaboration between DOOM and Dangermouse of tracks about shows on Adult Swim. This particular track is about the show Space Ghost. The remixed version was titled Space Ho's Coast to Coast. Notable quotable: "Hit a honey from the back and crumpled up her scrunchie/ A light snack, hungry munchie/ Felt a funny hunch, then she told him donkey punch me"

Enter J. Rocc on East Village Radio in late October 2009 (first public spin of 'Avalanche')

I was first made aware of this set again by an STMB thread where if you look, you can see a few posts I made back then. I can't tell you much about the now-defunct East Village Radio other than I know it for this infamous J. Rocc set.

Now I searched but could not find a stream or download of this set that is still active. I also could not nail down the date it took place, all I know is that it took place many days after the passing of Mr. Magic. It's also worth pointing out that another famous rip from a radio set had set the world afire at the same time. Within that same week was the night Just Blaze went on Shade 45 and played that famous snippet of Exhibit C by Jay Electronica ("Mr. Magic Woooooorld Premiere!").

Luckily, I did rip an mp3 out of it after it happened. This mp3 has survived multiple hard drive drive crashes and many home relocations.

So for your listening pleasure I submit, the first known public playing of 'Avalanche' that I know of.

Now this is a unique sampling because at the time, all three of these songs were being heard for the first time.

The first song played did eventually get played again in its entirety a few months later when J. Rocc was on Benji B later that year. That song was titled Savior Beans.

While Savior Beans never saw an official release, full versions can be heard (with help from Google) from radio rips from assorted sets on Benji B. mostly by J. Rocc and Madlib. In another set on Benji B. by J. Rocc a few years ago he would also end up playing a still-unreleased snippet of Black Star produced my Madlib.

The second song we all know now is Avalanche. At the time when it came out we on STMB were lovingly referring to it as "Frankenstein's Monster".

The third song, I cannot tell you anything about other than what you hear. To my knowledge it's the only time it's been played perhaps outside of live Madlib DJ sets. I'm willing to bet this is one of the 12 songs we've seen Peanut Butter Wolf refer to (more on this later). Any info on this one is welcome.

It's 2009 going on 2010, we know Madvillain tracks exist, how many? Where will they appear? How will we hear them? - unanswered questions

Here's where the timeline gets muddy. We see a longer version of Avalanche resurface over the years but more tracks start to trickle out between 2010 to now. Let's try and work through things chronologically.

-2010: Madvillain - Papermill

Originally released as part of the Adult Swim Singles program around May 24, 2010 we thought maybe this could be the start of the great release. Later this would appear unedited on Stones Throw's Clouds Over The Pacific Sampler. For a long time on STMB we had been trying to source the sample on this one. It was eventually discovered long after I had left STMB. Not to mention we pretty strictly avoided sample posting as to save headaches for some of our favorite artists such as Madlib. A great Madvillain track that's barely talked about, and is maybe our first hint of what would become a major point of Madlib's sound from that point on: Krautrock. See: Madlib Medicine Show #6: The Brain Wreck Show

-January 2010: Avalanche Resurfaces

This time we hear a longer (but not full) snippet of 'Avalanche on Stones Throw podcast #64 by Peanut Butter Wolf (owner/founder/boss of Stones Throw records). The track stops after the line "Not so shocking". This same podcast is also the first time we hear about 'Victory Laps' for the first time.

-July 2010: The "Madvillainz" remix of the DOOMstarks song 'Victory Laps'

DOOMstarks. "Coming soon". This collaboration and DOOM's history with Wu-Tang is another separate post I could make similar to this one if folks were interested. This ended up being an EP released for Serato or something as a release from the label Nature Sounds. I assume that since it was referred to as a "Madvillainz remix" that Madlib did the beat, but who actually knows. This song was first premiered on Late Night with Peter Rosenberg on Hot 97.

Here's an article from Pitchfork in July 2011 stating that DOOMstarks is "finally happening".

Also let us not forget this gem from the top voted question on a Ghostface AMA in 2014 on this very sub.

Back to Madvillain.

November 2013: Avalanche played in its entirety for the first time to the public (concert DJ sets not included). Also first appearance of "Untitled".

Madlib the bad kid touches down on Benji B. and during this set is the first time we hear 'Avalanche' played in full. This was my primary version of the song on my hard drive up until today. This set is really worth exploring if you can make the time.

-July 2015: Two "new" Madvillain songs leak.

(you'll need to hunt down your own links for this segment)

Madvillain - Travis 911

I had had a copy of this song in bad quality on my hard drive for no less than 2 years prior to this leak. When this batch of songs we've been discussing were recorded is anyone's guess but they're definitely not new. This song, while not a banger in a traditional sense, has a very interesting concept. It's DOOM rapping from the perspective of Travis the ape that ended up literally beating a woman's face off. DOOM is pretending to be the animal telling the story from his perspective as he calls 911 throughout the ordeal.(CAREFUL WHEN YOU GOOGLE THIS. NSFL NSFL!!!) The 1999 date mentioned in the Complex article above is wrong.

Madvillain - Untitled featuring M.E.D. aka Medaphoar

As mentioned above, this song was first heard on Madlib's appearance on Benji B in 2014. It's pretty dope, obviously.

After these songs leaked Peanut Butter Wolf tweeted he has 12 songs he's sitting on.

-October 30, 2015: Madlib, Blu, M.E.D. - Knock Knock featuring DOOM

I don't think this counts as Madvillain track but I didn't want it to be overlooked when cataloguing the history of this duo after their debut album.

Fast forward to today.

Conclusion:

Avalanche is here, properly released in its entirety. It's great we get to pay for it and hear it as intended but I think it bodes very badly for those hoping for a proper sequel album. If the song is just now getting released that leads me to believe the powers-that-be who would release this album have given up on its coming together in full along with the aforementioned tracks Peanut Butter wolf references. It's my opinion but when dealing with this duo, it's best not to get your hopes up.

I hope you enjoyed this read and found it informative. This has been my second entry into my /r/hiphopheads Madlib Stan entries.

Shoutout to the mods, /u/_adidias11_, /u/merrickplainview, and anyone else who read this.

Note: I'll be editing this as I correct any facts, grammar, and spelling.

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