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Daily Discussion Thread 10/23/2019 - HipHop

Daily Discussion Thread 10/23/2019 - HipHop

Daily Discussion Thread 10/23/2019

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 06:15 AM PDT

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Last.fm Thread: What Have You Been Listening To This Week? - October 23, 2019

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 11:04 AM PDT

Make sure to write some shit about what you listened to encourage discussion.

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Kanye West x Zane Lowe interview TOMORROW 9AM PT

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 09:01 PM PDT

Atlanta Church Returns Kanye West Donation Because He Supports Trump

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 07:04 AM PDT

Rapper Blueface off the hook in felony gun case in L.A.

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 03:42 PM PDT

(FRESH ALBUM) 6 dogs - Hi-hats & heartaches

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 09:02 PM PDT

TNGHT Announce First EP in 7 Years, TNGHT II

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 07:15 AM PDT

[Fresh Album] D Smoke - Inglewood High

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 09:28 PM PDT

BROCKHAMPTON will be performing on Jimmy Fallon

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 06:07 PM PDT

Via Kevin's Instagram

They'll be performing October 24th at 11:35PM EST

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Sango announces new collab album with Xavier Omar releasing 10/25 + tracklist (featuring Wale, VanJess)

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 02:37 PM PDT

New Dave East x Nas collab announced coming out october 25th!!

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 09:31 AM PDT

[FRESH] TNGHT - DOLLAZ

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 07:24 AM PDT

[Fresh] D Smoke - Last Supper

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 11:52 AM PDT

[FRESH] Father - Catchin bodies like Gabrielle Union

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 03:21 PM PDT

The Emancipation of Kanye West in Kingston, Jamaica

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 09:00 AM PDT

[FRESH ALBUM] 6 Dogs - Hi-Hats & Heartaches

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 01:57 PM PDT

[FRESH ALBUM] Brodinski - Evil World

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 09:07 PM PDT

[FRESH VIDEO] clipping - All In Your Head

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 07:08 AM PDT

[Spoilers] Pt. 2 of the Rhythm and Flow review

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 10:53 AM PDT

 I have just finished the finale of Rhythm and Flow's first season, and I have to say it was pretty good. The samples were so-so, but the features showcased a level of across the board tension that hadn't been seen yet, and the show hopefully tries to recreate in the future. The finale was very, very, very entertaining and topped the features, which really surprised me. If this show can figure out what it wants to be and flesh out some of the details, Netflix will have successfully infiltrated yet another market.

Judges:

  • Chance the Rapper: Netflix honestly fucked by including him with the judges. Unlike Cardi, who I found more palatable and almost genuinely funny in the last three episodes, Chance did not improve in the slightest. His weird vendetta against Caleb Colossus needed to be addressed off-camera and put to bed. He really had nothing intuitive to contribute that Cardi or TI couldn't have said themselves. For example, he said at one point a sampled song should be so good that you can forget the other artists who've used it and even the original song, then proceeds to criticize Flawless for transforming his sample into a nearly unrecognizable banger. Also, The fact that he had the balls to call CALEB preachy was so cringeworthy I had to turn away from the tv for a few seconds. He also looked stupid when T.I. said in the finale that there is a lot of opportunity for the winner of the competition, and Chance said "uh, yeah, and money and shit" (2/10)

  • Cardi B: I had to say I was pleasantly surprised with her in the last three episodes, where she changed somehow. Her dialogue was a little more coherent and she kind of just hit her stride, if that makes sense. She stuck almost entirely to off-beat commentary/comic declined, presenting a female perspective, and expressing the importance of how a song can be played on the radio or top the charts. The banter between TI and Cardi was also really funny at times and gave me hope for her inevitable future in the show. (7/10)

  • T.I.: He remained the best judge and I have nothing to complain about. I was dumbfounded when Tip made a joke about being one of the forefathers of trap music and it just hit me that TI damn near invented an entire genre of music. I already knew it, but it's just crazy to think about. (9/10)

Contestants:

  • Caleb Colossus: Next to Beanz and Old Man Saxon, Caleb is in the running for the most undeserving exit. His sample was great and he performed it well, despite being far outside of his comfort zone. He mastered autotune and made a record that Cardi said had great radio playability, which is a MASSIVE compliment. His feature was very good and probably his second best performance, after his music video. In such a close contest, when talking about the features, Caleb wasn't necessarily the best but Londynn needed to be sent home instead of him because of her badly remedied mistake. I hypothesize that because the judges sent Sam home, they needed a diversity element so Londynn had to stay on to the finale. (8/10)

  • Sam Be Yourself: I'm not a huge fan of his, and I believe that he is going to have difficulty finding mainstream success as long as guys like NF are still killing it for their demographic. His lyrics aren't compelling, but it's not really worth discussing since his totally justified elimination. (6/10)

  • Londynn B: As much as I like her, she really struggled in both the sample and the feature to the point that her elimination in both of those rounds should have been HEAVILY considered. However, she was saved herself BIG TIME in the finale with an absolute undeniable banger. It was a pretty standard, for how she rapped earlier in the show, but I think it was great that she solidified her style and energy, as well as her potential to create a guaranteed mainstream hit. I think she will probably have one, sooner rather than later, if she works with London on da Track. Cardi gives a great point when she says that Londynn isn't just a rapper for women, but for everyone who listens to her.(7-8/10)

  • Troyman: He hopes his game even higher in the last few episodes, staying somewhat in the middle of the pack but still bringing the heat and dropping some seriously awesome lyrics. His finale performance was incredible, and I'm looking forward to him working with Tay Keith. TI and Cardi's high praise speaks volumes to his skill level and its only a matter of time before Troyman is a chart topper. (9/10)

  • Flawless Real Talk: Still as talented as ever, and performing very well in all three episodes, but I can't help but feel almost unimpressed by his finale. It wasn't really anything different than anything he had done earlier in the competition. He also started to dive a little into Sam Be Yourself's platform, which I'm not a fan of, but it's whatever. He already proved he was passionate and smooth, but I wish he would just kind of go off his beaten path sometimes. (9/10)

  • D Smoke: To the surprise of no one, D Smoke killed each challenge put before him. I feel bad that he was given Sounwave as his producer, because compared to the likes of Tay Keith, London on da Track, and Hit Boy, he is almost being set up for failure. I personally love him because I'm a big TDE fan,(Schoolboy Q is probably my favorite modern rapper) and I get that it's a good fit, but I wish there was someone else they could have given him that could have helped create a potential traditional radio hit. The production of his song in the finale was pretty underwhelming (but D Smoke apparently had a lot of interaction with making it, so it was most likely intentional), but HOT DAMN he definitely saved his best writing for last. I have a feeling that this show was just an audition for TDE, and that the 250k is just his signing bonus. My only complaint with Mr. Smoke is that he has a weak social media and streaming presence, for such a talented artist. He needs to hire someone, or multiple someone's, to take care of that for him and ensure his talents aren't squandered because of a lack of exposure. His win was obvious from the second round forward, and he's going to have a big 'ol future.(10/10)

Wrap-Up: I feel like all four of the finalists were destined to go to the finals, and it could very well have been somewhat staged to ensure that all four made it, based on the differences the judges addressed and a loose formula I noticed that presented three of them with a defining strength and weakness:

  • Troyman's pro is that while both southern and street, he has the potential for mainstream appeal. His con is he unfortunately sounds similar to many other already established rappers.

  • Flawless's pro is his tightly wound versatility, passion and and work ethic, while his con is his borderline arrogance that has the possibility of being taken the wrong way and also being too intense for some people.

  • Londynn's pro is her marketability, while her con is being so close to Cardi B in so many ways. The judges presented this as a pro, but I believe that unless she can stand out amongst fellow female rappers she will never reach her full potential.

  • D Smoke's pro is his genuine, authentic personality that comes through in his music, but he really didn't seem to have any cons other than a few mistakes throughout the competition. He was always essentially in first place and never faced the threat of elimination. His ability to create a somewhat shallow chart topper that appeals to kids is lower than the other three, but that has never been what he's been about. Regardless, that, and his woeful social media/streaming presence, is probably his defining weakness.

    The show needed these four distinct talents to go all the way so there was a contrast without sacrificing any talent between them. If it was staged or not, I don't mind. I just wish it would be slightly less obvious if they did, ie perpetually shitting on Caleb Colossus despite his strong performances.

    Outside of the actual competition aspect, this show needs to cut down on the extraneous interviews and biopics and streamline it more. It needs rigid, infallible structure that is clearly defined. The eliminations need to all be extensively explained for the audience before they leave. There should be prizes on each level, and I honestly think the end prize should be upped to a million dollars or something higher than 250k to just show how serious the stakes really are. If the show needs more elimination rounds before the finale to justify this, so be it.

My final rating of the show is a (7/10). It has potential, but leaves a lot to be desired. I hope Netflix renews it for more seasons, as long as it improves. The artists' genuine love for each other at the end is better than any tv drama, and if it's fake, call me a sucker,

Edit: As much as I like TI, I think maybe he should be replaced by someone like Juicy J, who has been in the game and STILL going strong currently, with no visible end in sight.

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Kodak Black - Like Dat

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 06:48 PM PDT

Mac Miller - Erica’s House

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 08:48 PM PDT

Inspectah Deck - House Nigga (Joe Budden Diss)

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 08:18 AM PDT

Big Sean - Who's Stopping Me [Prod. By Metro Boomin]

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 10:33 AM PDT

Kendrick Lamar - Untitled 02

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 11:14 PM PDT

[FRESH EP] D Smoke - Inglewood High

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 09:28 PM PDT

Z-Ro - Let the Truth Be Told (feat. Lil Keke)

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 03:06 PM PDT
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